ONION №.94405[Last 50 Posts]
Dear Frens, it has become apparent that religious strife has taken over the discussion on our dear board, to such a degree that the mods had to update the rules several times to avoid “cross-board raids”. Increasingly, Frens do not see each other as Frens, but denizens of either /c/ or /r/, with the respective other as a hostile entity. This sentiment is as foolish as it is dangerous. I do not argue that religious discussion should be stifled, indeed I think it is crucial and logical that our political awakening is followed by a spiritual one.
However, it is by no means a new phenomenon that our enemy uses any crack in the front to claw open a wide rift between us and sow division and hate between White people. Christian vs. Pagan shilling has been a well-known phenomenon on 4troons and is a contributing factor why the site has become unusable and this place had to be created. Of course, the problem itself is much older, as clearly stated by the Old Man himself. I citate Mein Kampf, Chapter 10:
>”In the winter of 1918-1919 a kind of anti-semitism began slowly to take root. Later on the National Socialist Movement presented the jewish problem in a new light. […] But the moment we were successful in placing this problem before the German people in the light of an idea that would unite them in one struggle the jew reacted. He resorted to his old tactics. With amazing alacrity he hurled the torch of discord into the patriotic movement and opened a rift there. In bringing forward the ultramontane question and in the mutual quarrels that it gave rise to between Catholicism and Protestantism lay the sole possibility, as conditions then were, of occupying public attention with other problems and thus ward off the attack which had been concentrated against jewry. The men who dragged our people into this controversy can never make amends for the crime they then committed against the nation. Anyhow, the jew has attained the ends he desired. Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another to their hearts’ content, while the enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve.”
Although Hitler talks about Christian confessions, (as he lived in a more heavily Christianised society,) it is clear that the Führer recognised that theological differences and debates are a tool for the jews to distract Whites from dealing with the archenemy, rather than a stepping stone to victory against him. So pressing was the jewish question in his eyes that he would rather neglect the religious debate, although he surely had his own strong convictions about God and Faith.
On Frenschan, were the moderation usually deals quickly with porn, demoralisation, garbage-tier slidethreads and other derailing factors, it seems that after some probing, the jews have found their attack angle and are doubling down on their ancient and proven tricks. I am convinced that arguing in bad faith comes neither from Christian nor Pagan Frens, but from JEWISH SHILLS. Yes, any kike can easily go on an anymous image board and vomit out his profanities, and LARP, and SHILL and DIVIDE, and it comes to him as naturally as charging interest on his own grandma.
What can be done against this most insidious attack? The moderation has answered with a more elaborate set of rules, but I think that this will not be enough to end the problem. In the worst case, it could cement the separation between /c/ and /r/ that we are witnessing, which would be a decisive victory for the kikes. Instead, I call upon Frens to take a step back on the whole debate, recollect themselves, and remember what they know, the basics:
>1: Shills
You already KNOW that jewish shills operate on the internet, and you know they sow division and mistrust. Obviously, this extends to religious debate, but it appears many Frens forgot that genuine shilling could be behind a retarded and offensive religious debater. It is entirely possible that a person that responds with rustled jimmies towards a shill and accuses the whole opposite team of being traitorous retards is a LARPing shill himself, but many reactions seem authentic. In religious debate, you should always assume that a debater that argues politely and in good faith is a real Fren, but a sperg and divider to be a shill.
>2: National Socialism
I assume that many posters here are already grown up and probably started families, or at least their parent’s questions about grandkids are not entirely jokes anymore. This should explain why religious boards have such a weight in the first place, we get older and seek higher meaning. Yet, originally, we all spilled over here from 4/pol/, from Politics. This is where we first found answers to our nagging questions, this is where we were redpilled on why the fuck everything goes to shit in our countries, this is where we learned about a political theory that not only provided logical and satisfying answers to our questions, but also practical and proven solutions. This was National Socialism, and National Socialism always puts racial unity first, and does only superficially touch theological aspects. Many quotes of Hitler and other Natsoc thinkers on religion are contradictory. These are then flung around in religious debates to prove which religious woldview is superior over the other. Curious, the validity of a religious worldview is based by many upon the opinion of political leaders, rather that it’s intrinsic arguments. It appears that Hitler is more important to most of us than religion anyways, and we should concentrate on the uniting factor of our struggle, as Hitler intended.
>3: Adjust your mindset
As we remembered our journey on the internet and what we have learned through it, it becomes clear that religion was probably not the most important factor in the beginning for most people. I am pretty sure that 99% of you guys did not start out which a strong theological foundation in neither Christianity nor Paganism, but were rather atheistic and even hedonistic in your teens. Nevertheless, you were instinctively revolted by the state of our society. Probably by something as trivial as the sight of a feral nigger, roaming the streets unrestricted and unsupervised, ready to strike and maim at any second. This is the core instinct that drove us forward, forward to Politics – to /pol/. Consequently, this should be the board were we should primarily post and debate. Reject the false division between /c/ and /r/, it should not be the primary focus on your visits on Frenschan. I will continue to visit these boards and to engage in religious debate, but I will focus on finding practical solutions to defeat the kike. This should be the prime objective. A group of theological debater, eternally distracted by the infinity of the divine, is not a threat to them. But they FEAR the unified White race.
ONION №.94409
>>94405Excellent post, fren. Imo your OP should be stickied in both
>>>/r/ and
>>>/c/>On Frenschan, were the moderation usually deals quickly with porn, demoralisation, garbage-tier slidethreads and other derailing factors, it seems that after some probing, the jews have found their attack angle and are doubling down on their ancient and proven tricks. I am convinced that arguing in bad faith comes neither from Christian nor Pagan Frens, but from JEWISH SHILLS. Yes, any kike can easily go on an anymous image board and vomit out his profanities, and LARP, and SHILL and DIVIDE, and it comes to him as naturally as charging interest on his own grandma.You nailed the issue here. I think most anons engaged in those religious flame wars are actually legit, but all it takes to start them is a single kike spouting the same-old D&C tactics. You'd think we'd learn by now.
9f966 №.94412
Excellent post fren! I believe this is exactly what's going on here right now. I will leave this post here but I will also make copies of it and post them in both
>>>/c/ &
>>>/r/ 5e129 №.94426
>>94409>all it takes to start them is a single kike spouting the same-old D&C tactics. Hence the new rules. Time to step on the roaches before they can lay eggs.
1e485 №.94432
>>94426I think enforcing the "no derailing" rule would solve this a lot better than the new rules. I vehemently oppose censorship of objectively true statements.
9455a №.94438
>>94431Thought table talks were bullshit. And judging by this quote they are that.
National Socialism was not about wanting to abolish religion like KIKES AKA COMMUNISTS AKA STFU FAGGOT.
GTFO with this atheist shit. We could make a new religion or reform ones that are already widely accepted.
Aryans have a natural spirituality. Unlike you, but you're a kike or a nigger. Our survival and prosperity will be our greatest law. And a healthy spiritual and religious life for our people is directly related to our prosperity.
Dumb nigger.
31d9d №.94440
>>94405exactly
we all experience god(s) in our own ethnic visceral form
so stop acting shitty towards fellow whites
unless they're jew or muslim
in which case hang them high
31d9d №.94441
>>94412>>94426good work mods. im a christian who appreciates and supports pagans sikhs jainists shamanists bhuddhists and hindus. I would like them to come around to Jesus however I wont force them.
most of all I dont want to have the same endless debates over and over and over
ONION №.94446
>>94445But that's the same poster…
97f9b №.94447
>>94438Your reaction is why he kept these thoughts behind closed doors lol
31d9d №.94452
>>94446its ok
I know that I embody the philosophy of mankind
therefore I am loved and hated in equal measure
jesus christ preserve me
1adbe №.94453
i always wonder, cant you niggers go a single day without thinking about religion? why the fuck is it so important? isn't there anything more important to talk about???????
literally lived my whole life without giving a single fuck to this topic, why can't you?
"christ this", "odin that", "baphomet that", stop with this shit, you niggers can't proof anything, this is a pointless discussion and will bring us nowhere.
>hey let's argue about something that might have happened 37415751 years ago
fuck you all.
t. not an atheist
f6f6b №.94454
>>94431>>94438>>94447https://codoh.com/library/document/genoud-heim-pickers-table-talk-a-study-in/en/>“The German text, which the French and English editions are said to be based upon, was, for reasons that are unclear, not published until 1980[…]It does not help that both Heim’s and Picker’s original manuscripts seem to have been lost.”>The English “table talks,” Carrier reveals, are based in whole or part on Genoud’s LP, “and… both the English and French editions contain additions to, and mistranslations of, the German texts that they are supposedly based on.”It's hard to get people to actually read stuff. Especially when it may challenge their current perspective.
97f9b №.94455
>>94454I'm not sure if Richard Carrier can be regarded as an objective, trustworthy source.
699b7 №.94456
>>94405>So pressing was the jewish question in his eyes that he would rather neglect the religious debate, although he surely had his own strong convictions about God and Faith>National Socialism always puts racial unity first, and does only superficially touch theological aspectsHe did lose you know. For all of the heroism performed, he ultimated failed and allowed darkness to swallow the earth. Perhaps we shouldn't be following the same exact plan
>A group of theological debater, eternally distracted by the infinity of the divine, is not a threat to them. But they FEAR the unified White raceUnified under what? Again, National Socialism failed. We need to do better
>>94453>i always wonder, cant you niggers go a single day without thinking about religion? why the fuck is it so important? isn't there anything more important to talk about???????Thinking about God is the highest function our minds are capable of performing
ONION №.94459
>>94456>He did lose you know. For all of the heroism performed, he ultimated failedBecause he lost a world war. Two of the largest industrial powers on earth allied against him and were supported by a third rapidly rising industrial power (the US). That doesn't speak poorly to his abilities in
seizing power in his own nation and geographical area, which is the stage you need to start at.
1baea №.94463
>>94459>>94456>Hitler, never having travelled, was an incurable isolationist and chauvinist. He imagined he could create a spotless and clean little "bubble", disinfected of Jewish filth and phlegm, right in the middle of the filthy Jewish world empire. He managed the miracle for a time, but his task was as impossible as trying to create a hospital-clean and antiseptic little area in a sewer being flooded with roaring torrents of excrement. He was overwhelmed by the flood of Jewish hate and poison which surrounded tiny Germany.>Had he started from the beginning, not with a GERMAN movement, but with a WHITE MAN'S movement encompassing all White Men in the world, as the Jewish movement encompasses all Jews, without regard to nationality or even "religion", and as the Communist movement is international - he would have taken a lot longer to win - but he would have been sure of winning. You can't beat an INTERNATIONAL movement with a national movement, any more than you can create a nice clean place in a sewer.>We have not made that mistake. From the beginning, I have worked just as hard to build international solidarity of ALL White Men, regardless of religion or nationality, as I have to get the Party set up in the USA.>The method is incredibly hard - I am banned from most Countries and can contact our people in other areas of the earth only by mail - but it is SURE. In England, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Canada, Argentina, Germany, Denmark - even in Japan - and dozens of other Countries, we are working to set up the World Union of National Socialists as the fight-to-the-death counterpart of the world Marxist Comintern and Zionist organizations. Today, the Nazi Parties in these countries operate with front names, just as I direct our Nazis in many American cities to operate under other names until they are strong enough to survive the Jewish terror attacks. But they are growing STRONG and PURE. Nothing can now stop them.- Commander Rockwell, This Time the World
3254f №.94464
>>94452Dangerously based fren
ONION №.94486
>>94457What makes him think something published in 1980 is authentic?
ONION №.94487
>>94463Did Hitler not work with Mosley, Mussolini, Leon Degrelle, etc.? I also find it quite weird to use criticism of someone as successful as Hitler by someone who wasn't nearly as successful as him, to prove Hitler did anything wrong. If Rockwell's approach was so superior, why was he not able to seize power?
10753 №.94490
>>94405I always found it funny that to the "fighters" there exist only one option: to fight. When there is also a second option: To build
If you are unsure of who is right, and what to do, and what best path is forward…well you can always just build with what little what you know off. That is at least what I do. You can develop your doctrines, you can open books and investigate. You can see small standpoints that work with everyone (like celibacy, fasting etc.) and just do them
You get tons of these depressed subhumans who only have two options as I said: to fight, or to be depressed…fuck that. How about NEITHER. You can always do nofap/semen retention instead of opening a tab to fight with your enemies…you can always organize locally and build connections/groups. You can always attack one of the multiple enemies of whom you know FOR SURE that they are evil, like kikes.
Being so long in this world. I think at some point someone has to just lay down the banhammer on this fighting/depression bullshit and just tell people to build. Yea we dont know for sure who is wholesome and what is best for your nation…but you dont need to know for sure to save your race. Use one of the many other aspects to build. Being little bitchy drama queens is fucking retarded, here is what I did
>removed depression through meditating (4 years now)>celibacy of 18 months>getting skills (like welding, social soft skills, body language etc)>read a ton of practical books to increase mastery and power (dont tell me that reading tsun zu is somehow anti or pro christian you faggot)DEVELOP, BUILD, EXPAND. To solve these bullshit problems, is better if you have lively energy instead of being a weak and pathetic cunt.
ONION №.94491
>>94453>i always wonder, cant you niggers go a single day without thinking about religion? why the fuck is it so important? Because religion is the foundation of any movement. It is, furthermore, what unites a people in a common goal, with shared rituals.
>isn't there anything more important to talk about?Yes, discussing propaganda, shilling campaigns, organizing raids, etc. Sadly those conversations tend to die quickly here.
>you niggers can't proof anythingWe can and we have.
>hey let's argue about something that might have happened 37415751 years agot. has never been on /r/
>t. not an atheistAgnostic, I'm guessing. Anything else and you contradict yourself.
a1361 №.94492
>>94405Thank you TORfren.
We must educate paganfrens and christfrens on the divide and conquer tactics used by our enemy.
This reminds me of the racial question in National Socialist Germany and how shills often repeat the lie that Hitler was motivated by racial hatred, when in fact he was motivated by a deep love of his own people.
In this same sense, our discussions on religions should be motivated by a love of the deep and rich traditions of our peoples.
ONION №.94494
>>94487he was assassinated
ONION №.94495
>>94494And Hitler had the most powerful empires of his time attack him. If that does not excuse his failure and means he did something wrong, then neither does Rockwell's assassination. Should have gone with a strategy that wouldn't get him assassinated.
ONION №.94500
>>94498You accidentally tagged my post rather than
>>94456 e821a №.94508
>>94453>literally lived my whole life without giving a single fuck to this topic, why can't you?I don't really care about whether or not you care about what I care about, and I certainly don't need your permission to take an interest in the dominant force of human existence.
e821a №.94509
>>94438Consider the following:
I can think of at least half a dozen post-war open National Socialist (self-described or explicit supporters) thinkers that are explicitly critical of Christianity.
Maybe these men, who gave more for the cause than most of us, are worth listening to.
You could then point me to an extant Christian National Socialist thinker or writer, if such a one exists, and then we can compare the arguments.
I oppose the new rules for many reasons, but the fact that we can't even quote well-known NatSocs (NSDAP or otherwise) under the current Christian apologetic rule is particularly shameful.
ONION №.94515
>>94453Why don't you make a thread about the topics you want to discuss instead of whining about people talking about stuff you don't care about?
31d9d №.94518
>>94515its not just talking though, its wasting time picking apart things which ultimately derrive purely from personal revelation
you cannot make seen that which can only be felt, etc.
if you really want to talk religion just go to a church group or temple or whatever
31d9d №.94519
religion is an expression of community and personal revelation right?
so whats the point of discussing it online?
you cant make anyone feel your personal revelation over words on a screen
and real life community has no bearing on the internet and vice versa
so dont let distractions turn this place into a quagmire of offensive/defensive argumentation which will bear no fruit
ONION №.94520
>>94518I agree, but if they weren't picking apart religion they would be wasting time on something else. Why should he let it effect him? You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
ONION №.94521
>>94519>>94518Look at the threads on /c/ and /r/. Then you'll have your answer.
31d9d №.94526
>>94522Yeah, I get you. I think im coming from a place where I spent the majority of my imageboard time between 2016 and 2020 arguing about religion and ive come to the conclusion that it was a waste. At least, for me it was. Ive seen these arguments and threats in various iterations over and over. Which is fine, but it can become uncivil quickly
>kike on a stick>tree hugger>athiest in disguise>your religion is brown>fuck you *insert christian ancestor here* praise odinetc.
31d9d №.94527
>>94526>threats freudian slip lol
meant to say threads
at the end of that day, if you think arguing with strangers about whether or not their prayers to *insert diety here* are effective or not is fun - then have at it
it wont stop me praying and it wont make an athiest start praying…
ONION №.94528
>>94527>it wont stop me praying and it wont make an athiest start praying…But it may sway the agnostics.
31d9d №.94529
>>94528Are there even that many undecided out there?
I think by now we've all picked a side. but yeah, I will admit a man's spiritual journey may involve the things he sees online. mine definately did. but you have to step away from the screen and read, speak to people and that will always be more fruitful than online arguments
1693d №.94538
>>94456>Thinking about God is the highest function our minds are capable of performinglol, lmao even
>>94491>Because religion is the foundation of any movement.??????????
>Sadly those conversations tend to die quickly here.yeah.
>We can and we have.ok, can you proof god exists?
>t. has never been on /r/yeah man i'm complaining about /r/ and have never been on /r/, you are right
>Agnostic, I'm guessing.yes. i just don't care about religion and can live my life without thinking about who created me or whatever happened
>>94508>sheeeeit we wuz dem gawd's creayshuns nigguhgo on, do whatever you want, you dont need anyone permission to take interest in any topic
>>94515idk, where could i?
ONION №.94541
>>94538>idk, where could i?frenschan
1203c №.94542
>>94526>>94527>At least, for me it was.That's a shame. I've learned a ton on both /c/ and /r/. I don't mean to be rude, but perhaps you were asking the wrong questions or expecting the wrong results.
> if you think arguing with strangers about whether or not their prayers to *insert diety here* are effective or not is fun I don't do that, nor have I seen non-Christians do that. I tend to ask questions about things I legitimately do not understand, like:
>You who hate the Jew, why do you worship his God?>You who hate the Jew, why do you trust rabbinical sources?>You who love your folk, why do you hate the ways of the supermajority of your ancestors? ONION №.94546
>>94513You can delete your own posts. You do not have to self-report.
ONION №.94548
>>94547I don't see the problem, personally. I see no "christcuck" or "LARPagan" being thrown around or anything.
96e58 №.94561
>>94509>I oppose the new rules for many reasons, but the fact that we can't even quote well-known NatSocs (NSDAP or otherwise) under the current Christian apologetic rule is particularly shameful.?????
>>>/r/6513>>>/r/6545>>>/r/6558I thought I clarified things pretty well.
>>94519>religion is an expression of community and personal revelation right?The privatization of religion leads to liberalism which leads to secularism which leads to death.
Religion is inseparable from morality and our movement is nothing if not a claim to the righteousness of our cause. So we must be able to explain why, each in his own way, to the man on the street. This requires a thorough understanding of yourself and your own position, as well as being able to relate to that of others who may well possess a distorted or altogether different worldview. Do you see the goal now?
>so whats the point of discussing it online?Debate, including on religion, is an ancient, celebrated, and time-honored European tradition. When done well, it is the exercise of the mind and to the benefit of all. When done poorly, it is to the detriment of all.
Here it is good practice. It sharpens the mind when done correctly. Argumentation skills carry over into other areas. What matters is the spirit in which you do it, whether here or on the street. And yes I'm saying these skills carry over into street activism, if you're thinking about this critically. Which is also why it's such a tragedy when these conversations are hijacked by idiots and bad actors.
Discussing religion is equally as emotional as discussing the jews or National Socialism with normies. In fact, you may well be striking the same nerve. If you can successfully discuss religion without unnecessarily pissing people off or driving them away, then there's a high chance you'll be able to speak with the same decorum while discussing sensitive political topics. This is a matter of self-improvement, for those with the humility to make room for it.
9759f №.94572
>>94561I think the reason why the topic of religion never made any progress, and why it is so volatile is because it sits on layer (or maybe even 2 for some aspects) below the meta layer where politics sits. It sits closer to your personality, and also your ego. Most people can discuss their favorite brand of car. Or maybe a favorite movie, because these things sit so much above.
But try to discuss your mental framework and how it sees the world around you…well…and adjust it in real time…I dont think most people can do it. It is at best a gradual process. Because if one change is made at that level, it moves huge volumes of mental data.
8d83c №.94576
I think /C/ and /R/ are just 2 diffrent paths. There needs to be just right amount of banter amongst the 2 paths. I think the best way to show which path is better for Whites is to see who can build a bigger community and who can build and utilize networks to provide goods and services. Which tribe of Whites can bring victory.
There /R/ guys who need to work on collectivizing with their own and pouring their foundations. In America, if you are a Racialist you need to join the AFA( runestone.org )and build their ranks. They have 5 or more Hofs in America and the congregates ussually have large families and a strong community. Allot of /R/ type people want to only focus on breaking down Christianity rather than building their thing.
/C/ People also need to focus on collectivising and building IRL social networks. The Amish have already proven Christians can be free and independent from the system.
I am surprised there haven't been /our guys/ (prot) start churches and having congregations of only /our people/ yet.
Tl;Dr There is allot of work that needs to done. Focus on what path you have chosen and try to build more than tear down. In 100 years the religious question will be either answered (one side will fail) or it will be just 2 paths Whites in the future will be.
96e58 №.94577
>>94572>I think the reason why the topic of religion never made any progress, and why it is so volatile is because it sits on layer (or maybe even 2 for some aspects) below the meta layer where politics sits. It sits closer to your personality, and also your ego. Yessir. Which is why this is a matter of self-improvement. It teaches you to tame your ego, if you're going in with the right attitude. When you can discuss such sensitive things without getting emotional, then you know you're getting somewhere.
31d9d №.94578
>>94542> why do you hate the ways of the supermajority of your ancestors?cringe
this shit is why i dont bother debating
you throw words like "supermajority" around to hide the fact you're going against your grandfathers religion
I can actually identify my ancestors as far back as the 1500s and they were all Christians. I wont hear shit about "supermajority"
31d9d №.94579
>>94561>Debate, including on religion, is an ancient, celebrated, and time-honored European tradition.you cant even spell honour properly
ONION №.94583
>>94580
>orthadox catholic calvinist churches
you cant even spell orthodox properly
9759f №.94584
>>94576Based and yea. Too much destruction is sought out, and too little building is done. The vedics, who spread the gita to everyone, managed to amass more followers than any of the battles between pagans vs christian has produced (due to good arguments and people flipping religion)in the last few years.
The cartoon we have now, on this site is "creation". Active club is "creation", wlm (where I am from) is "creation". Create something, anything. Its a pointless waste of time, and most productive NS will admit to it.
>>94577Its essentially a spiritual journey yea. If you meditate, you manage to get one or two layers deeper and then if you fuck with those aspects at those deep layers, it matters less. I for one have a "fuck, its all infinite" as a base thought. And it cannot be disproven because I can use any kind of concept to defeat another concept. Emptiness against love/hate. Violent action against loving healerism. Argument against argument. Viewpoint against viewpoint. There is always something that can defeat something else. The emerald tablets of thot showcase it well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QtEF0lucr4"knowledge is like a ladder, take one step on it, and it grows by 3 steps"
I am not sure if this is in any way useful to be more stable in the religious fight, but it helps.
9759f №.94585
>>94584> Its a pointless waste of time, and most productive NS will admit to it.with that I mean the constant battles.
9f2e4 №.94591
>>94578>my ancestors only extend back 500 years >conveniently ignore the rest of historySo its just the "everyone before christ was a dumb nigger" argument over again.
Every single time without fail you manage to make some aggressively retarded statement.
0d829 №.94592
>>94587>>94583>you cant even spell orthodox properlyDon't take the bait. Report and ignore. That's how you defeat these guys. Just don't engage with something that
should be below you.
0d829 №.94602
>>94596Now
this is pod racing.
f19f5 №.94607
>>94578>this shit is why i dont bother debatingHe says, debatingly.
>you throw words like "supermajority" around to hide the fact No, I used that word because it is correct. Capital T True, if you will.
>you're going against your grandfathers religionNo. I have only one person in my grandfather's generation in my family that was known for being Christian. She married another Christian and died childless. There's no record of anybody else being Christian in my family, although I don't doubt there may have been some.
>I can actually identify my ancestors as far back as the 1500s and they were all Christians.I genuinely wonder how you can know this? I have family records going back twice that, and only evidence/hearsay of one (aforementioned) genuine Christian.
>I wont hear shit about the truthClearly. Even so, the vast majority of our ancestors were non-Christian. 500 years of Christianity is the blink of an eye in the existence of Whites. It a brief moment even just in the short existence of Aryans.
ONION №.94608
>>94607How tf do you people have records going so far back
f19f5 №.94609
>>94561I've already responded to that.
>>>/r/6560 f19f5 №.94610
>>94608I'm not American. My country is very, very old.
ONION №.94611
>>94610Most Euros can't trace it back that far either
f19f5 №.94612
>>94611I don't know what to tell you. Most yuros don't hang out on neon nazifrog websites discussing rabbinical literature.
I'm not like those other girls uwu f8733 №.94618
I've made a personal vow to ignore all things related to religion and thus became 100% desensitized to anyone insulting my faith. I simply don't have the energy to care about it anymore. God is eternal regardless of how many people believe in Him, but my race is under real threat of extinction and I believe our resources should entirely be focused on stopping White Genocide unless it becomes too late.
If you don't follow my religion, you are misguided but God is merciful; if you work against my race, you are my enemy and the receiving end of my unlimited rage.
>>94431>I'm willing to work with anyone who believes in the 14 words.This.
ONION №.94637
>>94633
Shame how this got deleted, the rules as I understood from the moderators' explanation don't forbid actual discussion like this.
1e485 №.94642
>>94618>I've made a personal vow to ignore all things related to religionHe says, breaking his vow.
f8733 №.94653
>>94642>He says, breaking his vow.Kek you have a point anon, but I'm not here to discuss religion so my vow remains strong. I'd just like D&C (religious or not) to be efficiently curbed so frens can turn to more productive subjects.
>>94645Not to shit on your post fren, but your spacing makes it unreadable for me.
1e485 №.94655
>>94653I hear what you (and others) are saying, but:
>D&C Given that we're not united by religion, religious schisms are preexisting conflicts, not D&C. We're united by race and loyalty to it, so "Slavs aren't White" is D&C, whereas "I don't trust the Jews who wrote the Bible" isn't.
1e485 №.94657
>>94655That being said, I obviously recognize that it is a weak point that hostile actors can apply pressure to, but I really don't agree with the notion that it is inherently divisive to talk about.
We occupy a position with a tactical weakness. That is our choice. We could move away from it or shore up the weakness, but we're not in agreement over what to do. Pretending the weakness isn't there is not going to solve the situation.
f8733 №.94658
>>94655>Given that we're not united by religion, religious schisms are preexisting conflicts, not D&C.I agree that religious discussions are not inherently D&C, and I've seen many good effortposts being posted on the subject. The problem is anons falling for low-effort baits and the needless bickering that follows. This only divides us and breaks our spirit instead of building it up.
>We're united by race and loyalty to it, so "Slavs aren't White" is D&C, whereas "I don't trust the Jews who wrote the Bible" isn't.I can see where you're coming from, and while I have no problem with you posting this, under normal circumstances the next reply to your assertion would be someone insulting you and derailing the whole thread from that point onwards.
ONION №.94659
>>94655I'm really glad I'm not American so I don't have to ask myself the question "who is white"
f8733 №.94660
>>94657I agree, but I think that unless we find ways to propagate an atmosphere of mutual respect and honest discussions on chans, religion talk would only drag us down.
ONION №.94661
>>94660It's not that hard, man, just like be respectful and stuff
f8733 №.94662
>>94661If only all frens kept this in mind while posting.
1e485 №.94669
>>94658>The problem is anons falling for low-effort baits and the needless bickering that follows. I agree. I have done so as well. A guide to bait-detection would IMO serve us better than biased rules that protect the feelings of Christians.
>under normal circumstances the next reply to your assertion would be someone insulting you and derailing the whole thread I know. But that's against the rules. What we actually need is mods who enforce the "no derailing" rule. That was my first post ITT
>>94432 f8733 №.94675
>>94669>A guide to bait-detectionThat would be great. I also think we should meme picrel back as a posting habit.
>What we actually need is mods who enforce the "no derailing" rule. This is subjective, as a lot of users who add fuel to D&C are actually genuine posters under normal circumstances. It's best to prevent such things before they take place, hence why I do my best to skip religious discussions.
Also, until mods could arrive, the damage would already be done. I think the less we rely on them the better, and I'm pretty sure they'd endorse this sentiment. Let's be frenly to each other and leave mods to deal with actual kikes and CP spammers.
e77a3 №.94700
>>94679>Is there something stopping NatSoc Christians from having their own equivalent of the AFA?Yes - other Christians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazificationhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_Control_CouncilOn 5 June 1945, in Berlin, the supreme commanders of the four occupying powers signed a common Declaration Regarding the Defeat of Germany (the so-called Berlin Declaration of 1945), which formally proclaimed
the total dissolution of Nazi Germany and the consequent termination of any German governance over Germany:
"The Governments of the United States of America, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Provisional Government of the French Republic, hereby assume supreme authority with respect to Germany, including all the powers possessed by the German Government, the High Command and any state, municipal, or local government or authority."
— US Department of State, Treaties and Other International Acts Series, No. 1520.
Law no. 2 (10 October 1945) provided for the total and permanent dissolution of the National Socialist Party and its revival was totally prohibited.
Directive no. 16 (6 November 1945) provided for the equipment of the German police forces with light weapons to combat crime, while the carrying of automatic rifles was prohibited except with special Allied permission.
Directive no. 23 (17 December 1945) prohibited any athletic activities performed as part of military or paramilitary training, the prohibition to be effective as of 1 January 1946.
In order to eradicate the influence of Nazi literature on the German population, Order no. 4 (13 May 1946) prohibited the publication and dissemination of Nazi or militarist literature and demanded to hand over any existing such literature to the Allied authorities.
Law no. 62 (20 February 1948) repealed all Nazi laws regulating the activities of churches in Germany.
>>94432> I vehemently oppose censorship of objectively true statements.Thank you. I think
an important part of Jewish religions is the falsification of history so that falsified history does not contradict Jewish religions.To quote George Orwell's book 1984:
In philosophy, or religion, or ethics, or politics, two and two might make five, but when one was designing a gun or an aeroplane they had to make four. Inefficient nations were always conquered sooner or later, and the struggle for efficiency was inimical to illusions. Moreover, to be efficient it was necessary to be able to learn from the past, which meant having a fairly accurate idea of what had happened in the past. Newspapers and history books were, of course, always coloured and biased, but falsification of the kind that is practised today would have been impossible. War was a sure safeguard of sanity, and so far as the ruling classes were concerned it was probably the most important of all safeguards. While wars could be won or lost, no ruling class could be completely irresponsible.
But when war becomes literally continuous, it also ceases to be dangerous. When war is continuous there is no such thing as military necessity. Technical progress can cease
and the most palpable facts can be denied or disregarded. As we have seen, researches that could be called scientific are still carried out for the purposes of war, but they are essentially a kind of daydreaming, and their failure to show results is not important. Efficiency, even military efficiency, is no longer needed. Nothing is efficient in Oceania except the Thought Police. Since each of the three super-states is unconquerable, each is in effect a separate universe within which almost any perversion of thought can be safely practised.
The alteration of the past is necessary for two reasons, one of which is subsidiary and, so to speak, precautionary. The subsidiary reason is that the Party member, like the proletarian, tolerates present-day conditions partly because he has no standards of comparison. He must be cut off from the past, just as he must be cut off from foreign countries, because it is necessary for him to believe that he is better off than his ancestors and that the average level of material comfort is constantly rising. But by far the more important reason for the readjustment of the past is the need to safeguard the infallibility of the Party. It is not merely that speeches, statistics, and records of every kind must be constantly brought up to date in order to show that the predictions of the Party were in all cases right. It is also that no change in doctrine or in political alignment can ever be admitted. For to change one’s mind, or even one’s policy, is a confession of weakness. If, for example, Eurasia or Eastasia (whichever it may be) is the enemy today, then that country must always have been the enemy. And if the facts say otherwise then the facts must be altered. Thus history is continuously rewritten.
This day-to-day falsification of the past, carried out by the Ministry of Truth, is as necessary to the stability of the regime as the work of repression and espionage carried out by the Ministry of Love. ONION №.94710
>>94700>picrel>to the political catholicism, tell me who you work with and I'll tell you who you areJulius Streicher was Christian, so picrel is not an attack on Christianity itself.
just some context 33b38 №.94713
>>94675>This is subjective, as a lot of users who add fuel to D&C are actually genuine posters under normal circumstancesThe rules are pretty vague, so its all subjective. But that's okay if they were being impartial. But they're not. Entire threads get nuked from /pol/ and /r/ for not being pro-Christianity enough, despite breaking no rules. We have shill raids that claim the "pagan" posters and the jannies are oppressing Christians because the site is run by "pagans". They disappear when asked for a link to such a thread or post though. We are clearly being manipulated into a Christian-persecution-complex narrative, because affording Christians special privileges across the site means that some of the most direct criticism of Jews (their manipulation of Whites via Christianity) is now disallowed.
If the jannies acknowledged that they have a big bias problem and took steps to ameliorate that, rather than make their bias worse with these new rules, then I'd settle down.
>>94700Well deserved digits.
33b38 №.94714
>>94713/r/ was subjected to a sneaky raid the other day as well, where posters were making a fuss out of frens studying the Vedas, Buddhism, etc. - despite the two centuries of rapprochement between European and Eastern philosophy, despite the SS going to Tibet, despite Hindu gods clearly being as Aryan as the Norse ones, etc.
It didn't work, for obvious reasons.
The jannies have also wiped the top of the /r/ catalog twice, allegedly by accident. They push threads that offend Christians from elsewhere to /r/, and yet they'll still lock or delete them on a whim.
In comparison, the worst that happens on /c/ is a non-Christian asking a straightforward question - and that was so traumatic for them that they had to update the rules so non-Christians aren't allowed to post there anymore.
The bias is massive.
746a1 №.94722
>>94463>Never having travelled.Rockwell is incorrect; he spent a couple of months in England when he was 23, and apparently drank at a pub in Liverpool during his stay.
ONION №.94724
>>94715This is a good one.
>sageYou can also tell whether someone is a complete newfag or not by their inability to sage slide threads.
61c11 №.94734
>>94679>Is there something stopping NatSoc Christians from having their own equivalent of the AFA?How does the AFA work? I've only ever heard of them. Maybe something like that could be possible.
e1b94 №.94754
>>94750
>To a people like the Germans, whose history, has so often shown them capable of fighting for phantoms to the point of complete exhaustion, every slogan of this kind is a mortal danger.
Truly the White man's Achilles' heel.
ONION №.94756
>>94750
How many christians actually read the torah? I don't think a single christian except the philosemites and e-caths would notice if all their pastors started preaching positive christianity instead.
ONION №.94757
>>94756What is positive Christianity?
e1b94 №.94759
>>94757>How many christians actually read the torah?It is irrelevant what normies read. What matters is who they listen to. And their priest has read the torah (the whole tanakh, really) and believes in it, otherwise he wouldn't have become a priest for the guy who explicitly said he came to fullfil it.
>>94757It's the Christianity sans whatever it is you don't like - and no, nobody wants to define what will be cut out, nor who has the spiritual authority to do so. For all intents and purposes it is a meme invented by the NSDAP to avoid having to deal with Christianity.
>>94758Two more weeks e6048 №.94761
>>94734As far as what's relevant to this discussion:
>Explicitly pro-White and Whites-only, with something akin to the 14 Words written into their tenets>Communities building a parallel society separate from mainstream institutions ONION №.94762
>>94412Hey Stu, OP here. I am glad and thankful that you gave my post such a high visibility, I hope it helped to calm down the situation.
>>94490Hello Vedicfren, I recognize your avatarfagging. There is always something worthwhile to read when the blue guys show up. Could you crosslink or repost that post of yours about the one Hindu sage that only talked about the superiotity of his argument, never about the flaws of his opponents? I think that really captured the spirit of how a respectful debate religion between frens could play out. Also, have you ever thought about writing a longer essay about your philosophy? I think it would be really worthwhile.
ONION №.94763
>>94762>Hindu sage that only talked about the superiotity of his argument, never about the flaws of his opponentsAlright, I think I understand. I will write my future arguments like this:
>My religion does not encourage circumcision>My religion isn't jewish>My religion is racialist>My religion does not declare jews to be God's chosen people 2d5fc №.94766
>>94762>Hello Vedicfren, I recognize your avatarfaggingI love the art of Abishek Singh and do post it frequently heh. I try to post art often to make my posts more aesthetic
The post you linked to looks like another Vedafren that also enjoys the artwork
>Could you crosslink or repost that post of yours about the one Hindu sage that only talked about the superiotity of his argument, never about the flaws of his opponents?This is my first time looking at the website in several days because I've been busy IRL. The guy I was talking about though was Shakaracharya, the founder of a big sect of Advaita Vedanta. He converted all of India back to Hinduism through peaceful debate
>Also, have you ever thought about writing a longer essay about your philosophy?Thank you. I'm simply a perennialist that sits primarily on the Kashmiri Shaiva metaphysics of Pratyabhijna-
The first verse of the Shiva Sutras is
"Caitanyamatma" or
"God [is] Consciousness" and this seems to be accurate based on personal experience
Maybe I can write something up one day when I'm not so busy.
Hopefully the other Vedafren doesn't pretend to be me again, either. It was probably an accident this time fa82c №.94769
>>94700>>94750>Christian janny deleted this post twiceThree times now. Make a thread for it on
>>>/r/ and link to it instead so you don't derail this one. I don't understand your desperate need to turn a nice thread on racial unity into a war zone and I'm glad frens aren't taking your bait. So far you're the only one in this thread trying to start drama.
03503 №.94770
>>94769>Quoting the Bible and Mein Kampf is illegalIt sure is starting to smell pretty bolshevik in here.
fc4f2 №.94771
>>94766>>94762We got 3 vedics here, neat. And yea I have lost my folder so I just use yours lol.
ONION №.94773
>>94770>selectively quotes NIV and Mein Kampf to create a religious debate in a thread specifically meant to discourage disunion over religious mattersNigga, what are you trying to accomplish?
725fb №.94781
>>94773If you asked the guy who posted it and allowed him to speak, he could probably tell you himself.
>selectively quotesAll quotes are by definition selective, and the Mein Kampf quote was directly in context with OP's Mein Kampf quote.
>disunion over religious mattersWe haven't had unity over religious matters for over a millennia.
Quoting the two main books of the allegedly prevalent NS /c/hristians apparently causes so much of a problem that it needs to be banned, lest they realize the incongruity. Hm…
ONION №.94814
>>94781>If you asked the guy who posted itI did.
>and allowed him to speakI'm not a mod, and the rest of his posts are up.
>All quotes are by definition selectiveWhich is why quoting alone doesn't make for an argument. I could come up with one Bible quote for each of his, and we would exhaust the entirety of the Scriptures before we got anywhere near a consensus.
>We haven't had unity over religious matters for over a millennia.What are you implying? We haven't had racial unity over millennia as well.
>lest they realize the incongruityThat's the problem anon, you're not going to convince anyone ITT, just deepen the existing religious feud. I'm certain of your good intentions and I'm all for reading your objections to Christianity, but this is just not the thread for it. I truly hope you understand where I'm coming from.
01cac №.94815
>>94758>>94757>What is positive Christianity?https://library.frenschan.org/book/1739>>94761>Explicitly pro-White and Whites-only, with something akin to the 14 Words written into their tenets>Communities building a parallel society separate from mainstream institutions Okay, how about structurally? What's the blueprint?
3d4ab №.94817
>>94815>Okay, how about structurally? What's the blueprint?As far as the US goes:
Each region has it's own temple and local folkbuilders
But there's also a high-priest in charge of leading the movement as a whole
e77a3 №.94872
>>94814>If you asked the guy who posted it>I did.Please reference the post where you asked me something.
>>94814>the rest of his posts are up.Almost all my posts in this thread were deleted except for this post
>>94700>>94814>I could come up with one Bible quote for each of his, and we would exhaust the entirety of the Scriptures before we got anywhere near a consensus.Regurgitating Jewish falsehoods does not make them true. Truth is more important than consensus.
To quote George Orwell's book 1984:
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
>>94814>We haven't had unity over religious matters for over a millennia.>What are you implying? We haven't had racial unity over millennia as well.On the topic of "D&C" and racial unity, some of the most ruinous wars in European history were Christian religious wars between Europeans; for example the Thirty Years' War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_WarThe Thirty Years' War was one of the longest and most destructive conflicts in European history, lasting from 1618 to 1648. Fought primarily in Central Europe, an estimated 4.5 to 8 million soldiers and civilians died as a result of battle, famine, and disease, while some areas of what is now modern Germany experienced population declines of over 50%.
f19f5 №.94896
>>94815>FabriciusA literal who? He's not NSDAP, not SS, not a high ranking church member, makes no claim of divine revelation, has achieved no great heroics, etc. He is one rando with no authority who wrote one book that nobody read. You're not going to convince Christians to let some rando nobody edit their Bibles based on his subjective taste. Even if you could, you'd immediately create the massive risk of a future orthodox revival that could easily return twice as zionistic as it currently is. You'd give the Jews the perfect spiritual weapon against us: "They're keeping the Truth from you, goyim. We have the unedited texts of your God. See, here it actually says that your beloved Jesus said 'Salvation is of the Jews', but your government doesn't want you to know that."
It is such an massively shit idea that it is no surprise nobody has been particularly interested in it.
f19f5 №.94907
>>94814>I did.Well, you were asking me. And I'm not him.
>Which is why quoting alone doesn't make for an argument.I thought it was a pretty good point.
>I could come up with one Bible quote for each of hisThe fact that the Bible contradicts itself so much is not exactly an argument. In fact, I'd argue that such a religious text guarantees D&C and has no place in a movement that seeks unity.
>What are you implying?That rejecting a foreign divisive ideology that is only embraced by a part of a group is not D&C.
>We haven't had racial unity over millennia as well.Almost the entire Germanic world (almost the entire Nordic race) rallied against the Christians for centuries. The Greco-Roman world was largely united for centuries as well. I personally don't believe we'll ever unite all Whites (the species) under one political umbrella, but reaching Germanic/Latin/Slavic racial unity would be a great big win and has been achieved before. So you're wrong on that account.
But even if you weren't wrong, we are here because we are pro-White. That is the core. Dividing that core is D&C.
>you're not going to convince anyone ITTTo quote GRL: "I believe in the radical application of Truth." I'll even quote Jesus as he says to the Jews "The Truth will set you free."
You seem to believe in coddling woman-brained midwits to avoid upsetting them. So no, I don't understand where you're coming from, because we don't want the same thing.
36013 №.94914
>>94896>He is one rando with no authority who wrote one book that nobody read. Yes he was a party member, although there was an incident where he had an unspecified personal conflict with Himmler sometime into the war. The book was republished in English in 1937 with the Party's endorsement, to counter jewish propaganda against Germany. As for Fabricius himself, if I recall correctly, he was a Professor of Theology at the University of Berlin.
>You're not going to convince Christians to let some rando nobody edit their Bibles based on his subjective taste. You are confused. Small
p positive Christianity is unrelated to Rosenberg's short lived Hitlerist cult by the same name. No bible editing is involved and Fabricius would've found the suggestion abhorrent.
This is the book that you want to give to normie Christians to open their eyes to the fact that they've been lied to about the NSDAP and the holohoax. It's a big, fat red pill.
>>94896>Salvation is of the JewsI'm not taking the bait. Go ask
>>>/c/5031 what that verse means and I'll be happy to explain it to you there.
ONION №.94923
>>94914>Go ask >>>/c/5031 what that verse meansHe said the jews would say that to the christians, who were hypothetically given an altered version of the bible, not that it means something or the other. A lot of self-professed Christians follow what you would probably describe as a false/kiked version of Christianity, and this is without them having the argument of "look goys, here is the uncut version of the bible". If they did, it'd likely be even more convincing.
ad2a3 №.94928
>>94914>Yes he was a party memberMillions of people were. But I should have said "he's not NSDAP leadership and he didn't write as a representative of the NSDAP". The book is his own, as he himself states.
>a Professor of Theology at the University of Berlin.I've read a few such professors who encouraged abandoning Christianity wholesale. That's not going to convince anyone as is.
>No bible editing is involvedYou should probably have made that clear from the beginning instead of this pilpul.
If you're not going to get rid of texts that call us "goyim", please define small p positive Christianity then.
>This is the book that you want to give to normie ChristiansNormie Christians havent even read the Bible, which they think is a good book. You must be completely off your rockers if you think you will get them to read an ebil nyazi book.
>baitReading comprehension.
>go to /c/That's not allowed anymore.
ONION №.94931
>>94872>Please reference the post where you asked me something.Apparently I asked
>>94907, thinking he was you.
>Almost all my posts in this thread were deletedFair enough. I don't think they should've been deleted, but it's no mystery why they were. We're all tired of potential D&C and you can't deny your posts could've sparked a new flame war.
>Regurgitating Jewish falsehoods does not make them true.You misunderstood my point, but yeah, what I meant to say is that it doesn't matter if it's me or you quoting the Bible, it would be arguing in bad faith.
>On the topic of "D&C" and racial unity, some of the most ruinous wars in European history were Christian religious wars between EuropeansI agree. That is a dark spot in Christian history. I won't deny Christian politicians and clergy have been increasingly kiked for centuries.
>>94907>Well, you were asking me. And I'm not him.My mistake, then.
>I thought it was a pretty good point.Because you already agree with him. I'm curious to see them addressed by a Christian more knowledgeable than me,
but not in this thread.>I'd argue that such a religious text guarantees D&C and has no place in a movement that seeks unity.>That rejecting a foreign divisive ideology that is only embraced by a part of a group is not D&C.>we are here because we are pro-White. That is the core. Dividing that core is D&C.See, that's what I'm talking about. We should seek unity, and an out of place religious discussion does the exact opposite of that. I'm not against hearing you out, but please don't derail a thread specifically meant to avoid the kind of division your posts are likely to spark. You can take this as coming from someone afraid of the "Truth" or what not, but the reality is that I've seen this sort of discussion being reenacted in our movement for the past +5 years and honestly, I just wish we could move on.
b7a22 №.94933
>>94931>you can't deny your posts could've sparked a new flame war.>you can't deny your posts could've incited hatred against one of the protected characteristics.Literal reddit.
>Because you already agree with him.No. I agree with it, because it is a good point. Don't assume everyone is as entrenched in their dogma as you. This is the same "why am I persecuted so" mentality as the Jews. I don't care about Jews, I don't care about Christians and I don't care about Islam. I don't hate any of them either. I just care about the Truth, and the superstitions of the descendants of Abraham stand in the way of the Truth - and obfuscate and pilpul to save their necks.
You have refused to define "positive Christianity" for example, yet you defend the use of the term.
>I just wish we could move on.And I just wish we could work towards the Truth. As I said, we do not have the same goal.
ONION №.94934
>>94933Why don't you hate jews
b7a22 №.94936
>>94934Because Jews are nothing special. They are mere obstacles on a climb up a mountain. I care about the peak. The obstacles are simply there to be overcome.
My point is simply that I have goals and ideals and that my actions are a consequence of those.
b7a22 №.94955
>>94949
>thinks I'm actually pro yids and fags
I think you've confused yourself, fren.
36013 №.95048
>>94928>The book is his own, as he himself states.That was before it was endorsed by the Party.
>If you're not going to get rid of texts that call us "goyim",Goyim is the Hebrew plural for foreigner.
>please define small p positive Christianity then.That's what the book is for. Go take a look.
https://library.frenschan.org/book/1739>You must be completely off your rockers if you think you will get them to read an ebil nyazi book.Forbidden fruit, so tasty.
>>94933>You have refused to define "positive Christianity" for example, yet you defend the use of the term.The book gives the definition and it was present in point 24 of the Party Program, which is where the term originates. At least read the first chapter. It goes a long way toward deprogramming American zionists.
d1a8b №.95053
>>95051That's it. That's the entirety of the section titled "What do we affirm - Positive Christianity".
Other sections include "I don't like liberalism" (wow, really?), "I don't like criticism of my religion", "Religions that aren't mine aren't real religions".
36013 №.95058
>>95053>>95051>pilpul>midwitThose are your meme words by which I identify you across threads.
>How can one write and entire page with literally zero substance. We shall never know…You aren't understanding how forceful the statement being made is because you don't understand the historical context it was written in, how it relates to current day Weimerica, or for what purpose it was written. Your presuppositions have sewn your ears shut. To a Christian of any stripe, that screenshot by itself would raise more than a few eyebrows.
>What's that from? What's he talking about?>Oh you know, just Christianity in Nazi Germany.Again, forbidden fruit. You want to flip religious people? This is how you do it. Because when you talk to Christians about the jews, they're immediately going to point at the holohoax, as they're trained very well to do. Showing them this immediately begins to undermine the holohoax narrative at a meta level, which weirdly enough is what it was intended to do. (It's counterintel propaganda to purify the well the jews poisoned.) You're not attacking the story itself, you're attacking the very stilts it's propped up on. Kicking a leg out from under a three legged stool, so to speak.
ONION №.95127
>>94933I'm tired from work, so have it your way, man. Good luck on your pursuit of "Truth".
In the meanwhile, I'll serve my people to the best of my ability, metaphysics be damned.
36013 №.95129
>>95127>I'll serve my people to the best of my ability, metaphysics be damned.Good on you. That we must.
5a05c №.95142
>>95058>meme wordsThey are very well defined words and I use them as such.
>To a Christian of any stripe, that screenshot by itself would raise more than a few eyebrows.You are as vague and vacuous as Fabricius, and have still not offered anything tangible since first shilling "positive christianity." Please say something of actual substance. Sum up positive christianity in three sentences please.
>You want to flip religious people? Do you mean Christians?
>Showing them this immediately begins to undermine the holohoax narrative at a meta levelHow? NS is presented as right wing, where reactionary christians are also placed. I fail to see how supporting that narrative would undermine anything for anyone.
I also fail to see how the holocaust mythology plays into thisTelling people the NSDAP made anti-smoking campaigns and had social welfare programs and debt free loans etc. would undermine the narrative (and be true). Telling them that the right wingers are right wing like the other right wingers supports it (and is false).
5a05c №.95144
>>95127I wish you well in that endeavor, fren.
36013 №.95153
>>95142>You are as vague and vacuous as FabriciusYeesh, you're so aggressive.
>have still not offered anything tangible since first shilling "positive christianity." The fren asked what it was and I responded with an authoritative source. I didn't bring it up.
>>95142>Sum up positive christianity in three sentences please.I can't do it any better than he did:
Healthy, historical, authentic Christianity that promotes good and noble values,
in contrast to inauthentic "progressive" Christianity, which allies itself with degeneracy and flips virtue on its head. Literally the real stuff vs the counterfeit.
>Do you mean Christians?A subset thereof, but I suppose it would be generally applicable as well.
>How?>I also fail to see how the holocaust mythology plays into thisBecause the "nazis" are portrayed as ontological evil and this does the opposite, from within that person's already existing moral framework.
>Wait… They aren't Satan's Little Helpers!? What's going on…?That confusion is where the magic happens.
>Telling people the NSDAP made anti-smoking campaigns and had social welfare programs and debt free loans etc. would undermine the narrative (and be true). Only barely. It's a surface level scratch at best. This, I think, is alien to you: for Christians, we recognize that bad people can do good things. Saying
>nazis had debt free loansis like saying
>Satan sometimes doesn't collect your soul when you make a deal with him.Oddly out of character, yes, but it doesn't change their perception of Satan. Satan is still Satan. All you did was give Satan a funny quirk.
They view the "nazis" the same way we view kikes because jews have projected
themselves onto the Germans. How do you react when a holohoax shill rolls along and tries to tell you that jews are actually really great people? Laughter is probably your first reaction, right? And these people laugh at us when we make the same claim about the Reich. You have to strike at the base, not the peripherals. You can't expect folks to think the same way you do. Gotta meet them where they are.
e0f82 №.95181
>>94453because the average religious christian normie is infected with MIGA Christian Zionism and it's eventual goal is force meme into reality a 2nd coming of Christ which will be swallowed hook, line,and sinker by these braindead retards that believe that the universe and mankind were created in literal 144 hours. And enough people buy into this bullshit that it will become reality. The only cure for it is to glass Jerusalem with a cesium tsarbomb and make it uninhabitable for 50,000 years so we can focus on actually advancing ourselves and our surroundings instead of waiting on pins and needles for Jesus to come down out of the clouds and fix everything for us.
ONION №.96540
>>96538>lePagans are, IRL, irrelevantSame as Christians, then.
>And they can't even help themselves from staying out of /c/.But Christians can help themselves from staying out of /r/?/ (they can't.)
4f955 №.96542
>>96538>But there hasn't been an IRL pagan village for centuries and there won't be one in the coming times.Most White Europeans are non-Jewish and non-Christian.
ONION №.96545
>>96540>Same as Christians, then. Based on what.
What religion is followed by the groups with the highest rate of white fertility in the US?
>>96542>Most White Europeans are non-Jewish and non-ChristianYea, they're atheist and not having babies or fighting back. Thanks for proving my point.
4f955 №.96546
>>96545>Yea, they're atheist and not having babies or fighting back.Like most Christians. You're welcome.
ONION №.96549
>>96538>picrelAn argument appealing to the other person's moral framework (or source of rather?) is perfectly reasonable if done correctly. If you were talking to a Buddhist who is pro-immigration and there was a verse in Buddhist texts about not allowing foreigners in, would you not use that as an anchor for convincing him? It'd be very stupid not to.
4f955 №.96553
>>96549No no, universatards can't into empathy
ONION №.96556
>>96546>Like most Christians. You're welcome.Sheesh. I am making an effort to not talk to you like I talk to children. But here it goes.
>Amish and Mennonites>"Be fruitful and multiply">literal demographics and fertility of any noncucked church in any areaThat's not even going into the track record between Christians fighting off Jews and Islam and Pagans selling Christians to Jews. Making the extremely generous assumption you're not a jewnigger, you've simply got caught up in the literal lowest effort psyop meme and desperately need to reach out to actual communities of white people. IN REAL LIFE. All of which are Christian.
>>96549True. There's lots in the bible that flat out disproves every subversion tactic involving hippie-Christianity. But I used this pic because it's the same pic I used on /fc/ addressing the mods which was censored.
Time to man up mods.
b1d03 №.96560
>>96556>All of which are Christian. Not in White countries they aren't. You may be thinking of Mexico or Africa or something?
ONION №.96561
>>96560Please go outside. Since starting my work toward community building, the only IRL white family units that wanted to go their own way were traditional, adherent, knowledgeable white Christians and they always had children.
I know I don't have to try, but even if I tried as hard as possible, I know I will never find any gathering of white pagan families.
Keep moving the goalpost and ignoring what I just said. All you're doing is proving my point.
Paganism only exists online. It only exists as a demoralization psyop. It plays zero role in furthering white interests IRL.
And, clearly, there's an IQ issue.
That's the best I can do before hurling insults.
Mods would rather be inclusive than actually furthering the interests of the white race. Typical feminine behavior.
b1d03 №.96563
>>95153>aggressiveDon't get your panties twisted.
>I didn't bring it up.I may have mixed you two up, my apologies.
>healthyWho gets to determine what this actually means in practice?
>historicalWho gets to determine what this actually means in practice?
>authenticWho gets to determine what this actually means in practice?
>goodWho gets to determine what this actually means in practice?
>nobleWho gets to determine what this actually means in practice?
>realWho gets to determine what this actually means in practice?
You may be forgetting that we've had a thousand years of constant religious warfare over this topic, where every single faction always claimed to be the healthy, historical, authentic, good, noble and real Christianity.
>the other half of your postI don't care enough about this to brave your condescension.
965a6 №.96564
>>96561>I know I will never find any gathering of white pagan families. >Paganism only exists online. It only exists as a demoralization psyop. It plays zero role in furthering white interests IRL. Not the fren you replied to but that's not true. AFA exists.
https://runestone.org/ b1d03 №.96566
>>96561>Keep moving the goalpostSays the guy who claimed that there are no non-Christian non-Jewish "villages" and promptly changed the subject kek
>I know I will never find any gathering of white pagan familiesThat's because you're not invited, faggot.
ONION №.96568
>>96564Wow. Finally, something other than "christcuck" to go off of. Unironically, thank you.
Do I think it's actually going to be a needle-mover, especially compared to the fertility of the menonites? No
Do I think it does anything to fight back against degeracy brought on by the jews? No.
Does it do anything for my impression of the Pagan track record? No.
But, wow, it's SOMETHING.
But…
>>96566>Keep moving the goalpostSays the guy who claimed that there are no non-Christian non-Jewish "villages" and promptly changed the subject kek
It's always disproportionately offset by this utter retardation. It's like talking to a nigger or goblino.
>That's because you're not invited, faggot.Well, no shit, Sherlock. All I hear is the same parroted psyop phrase. Great gate-keeping, let's see the white Christians that exhibit the same jewlike behavior. Oh look. That's not how we do things.
And I'm supposed to take this seriously as someone literally having children and building a community IRL?
Within half an hour drive I have many churches which are prime targets for white community building. Whereas, dipshit here, can't bother to go outside, I'm guessing also hasn't added to our numbers, and clearly hasn't brought up any real community building efforts on the pagan side. And even if he did, "uR nOt iNViTeD"
Mods. Why are you allowing this embarrassing bullshit to slow down the entire group?
c9695 №.96570
>>96568Too boring, didn't read.
Now gas this baiting faggot please.
ONION №.96571
>>96570Come now. At least give me something here to justify your existence. Pagans are just a meme and a psyop. But you can prove me wrong by giving me SOMETHING to justify all the D&C you are a vector for.
3ac37 №.96603
>>94456>Unified under what? Again, National Socialism failed. We need to do betterPart of why National Socialism failed in Germany was jews around the world using their media, corporate, and banking connections to influence nations which otherwise would have supported Hitler to instead oppose the rebuilding of the Reich. That threw a huge wrench in Germany's industrial output, along with lend-lease programs which fortified Britain's and Russia's military capacity. The final nail was Japan going full retard and drawing America directly into the conflict, along with Roosevelt and the feebs allowing the first Japanese attack to take place unhindered in order to sway the American masses against both the Japanese Empire and the Third Reich.
In short, it wasn't the policies of National Socialism or most of Hitler's decisions that caused it to fail, but the manipulation of the world at large to move against the Reich. If Hitler failed, then it was a failure to anticipate the sheer ruthlessness of the eternal jew. That is the lesson to be learned from the Battle of Europa.
ONION №.96608
>>96603TLDR too many Germans were retards who thought the jewish plan was better than the NSDP's plan
98496 №.96713
>>96707>Christian White NationalistsThis entire concept is flat-out impossible. In the same way a tranny CAN NEVER be a woman, and christian CAN NEVER be a White Nationalist in the sense of NS. One is the antithesis of the other.
98496 №.96714
>>96603Literally NOTHING you said is what actually happened.
>>96603>If Hitler failed, then it was a failure to anticipate the sheer ruthlessness of the eternal jew.But – Hitler didn't fail. He put the jews in work camps that were more akin to day spas and they fucking FLOURISHED in style comparatively speaking. Auschwitz had a spa, Equestrian center and several swimming pools. Why?
Hitler didn't in the slightest attempt to kill them. He LITERALLY FUCKING SAVED THEM.
Let that sink in.
ONION №.96722
>>96713Agreed. You can't serve two masters. You can't be race first and God first.
70699 №.96725
>>96713>>96722>You can't serve two masters. You can't be race first and God first.It's funny because you accidentally quoted Jesus and you don't realize it. I love when you guys do that.
Race and God cannot be opposed or competing things. God created race. Race serves God. Anti-racism is rebellion against God. To be race first just means you're affirming God's created order, which is a
requisite to putting God first. To put them at odds is a sign of confusion.
>>96603>The final nail was Japan going full retard and drawing America directly into the conflictRoosevelt knew of the attack on Pearl Harbor in advance and let it happen. He and his kike buddies manipulated events economically such that Japan would inevitably be forced into direct conflict with the US or else face complete industrial collapse. (That's the whole reason they invaded China.) He
wanted an excuse to enter the war. There was no avoiding it.
ONION №.96726
>>96725>you accidentally quoted JesusIt was on purpose.
>Race and God cannot be opposed or competing things. God created raceGod also created silver and gold.
70699 №.96727
>>96726>God also created silver and gold.Are silver or gold inherently evil? I'm not sure what your point is. lol
e0e8f №.96730
I'm an atheist, and nothing will change my mind. But I do believe that whatever religion/philosophy becomes dominant if there becomes some kind of ethnostate, then I will adapt. I think that should be the attitude of everyone. If a Christian ethnostate becomes the dominant force, than adapt to that. If 'pagan' ethnostate, then adapt to that. But arguing about religion is pointless, I guess for shits and giggles, maybe, but it's not productive.
ONION №.96731
>>96727>I'm not sure what your point is. lolYou can't serve two masters. You can't be gold first and God first.
You argue like a jew btw
ONION №.96732
>>96730>I do believe that whatever religion/philosophy becomes dominant if there becomes some kind of ethnostate, then I will adapt. I think that should be the attitude of everyone.What if Siegefags win and create a Satanic White ethnostate? You gonna worship Satan with them?
70699 №.96734
>>96731>You can't serve two masters. You can't be gold first and God first.Well hyper-prioritizing shiny metal rocks is what jews do and it's fundamentally disordered, so yes… However that's an entirely different category and comparing apples to avacodos.
What you're saying is more akin to
>you can't be family first if you put your wife first ONION №.96737
>>96734>you can't be family first if you put your wife firstCorrect.
3ac37 №.96741
>>96714>Literally NOTHING you said is what actually happened.Oh, so you're telling me the jews in Washington and London didn't counter growing public support for Hitler by leveraging newspaper coverage against him? They didn't take advantage of their control of the national banks to make sure all the rulers and politicians fell in line and jumped on board with the brother wars? So, what then? He was just jousting at windmills and hallucinating? Bullshit.
I'm not even addressing the rest of your argument because it is based on the premise that I assumed the holocaust was supposed to have happened. I said no such thing. There was no holocaust, except at Dresden. Try harder for your gotcha moment next time.
>>96725>Roosevelt knew of the attack on Pearl Harbor in advance and let it happen.That's what I said. I probably should have mentioned the oil trouble, but if Japan hadn't invaded China, would they have still run out of oil, or could they have traded with someone other than the US to get it?
>>96732>You gonna worship Satan with them?See pic related. As long as you know who Lucifer really was, what's the issue?
46177 №.96751
>>96725>I love when you guys do that.Have you considered that "you guys" might be more well-read than you and aren't fumbling blindly around?
>Race and God cannot be opposed or competing things. God created race.Irrelevant. The Bible is entirely anti-nation (except that of the jews). What do you think "goyim" and "ethne" mean?
>>96734>you can't be family first if you put your wife firstWhich is correct. If I place my wife before my entire family, then I'm not placing my entire family first. Literally.
46177 №.96754
>>96741>picrelHogwash. That guy has never read a European primary source.
37e39 №.96760
>>94618>If you don't follow my religion, you are misguided imagine being this hypnotized by an ancient sandbook, and not critically judge what is right in front of you
Weak
ONION №.96762
>>96707This.
>>96713>christian CAN NEVER be a White Nationalist in the sense of NSThat's what I am, but race comes before religion to me. I can't find the exact quote, but Robert Ley once said that he'd rather live in National Socialist Germany than in Heaven, and I've found that this sums up my views on the subject. I wouldn't mind spending eternity in Hell if it meant my people would be free of (((parasites))) and degenerates.
37e39 №.96763
>>96760 I don't want to divide, I'm genuinely amazed at believers of christianity that happen to be right wingers.
If people can/want to believe in something with so much passion, without questioning themselves or their sandbook , or even having a debate on said tales of the sands…
then it's all true: communism worked because humans really are cattle
Sorry but it's the logical conclusion
ONION №.96767
>>96762Isn't "putting race above religion", a religious belief by itself? At that point you are exalting your own will above the will you attribute to God. It's an oxymoronic statement to me.
e578d №.96770
>>9676299.999% of Christians throughout time and space would consider you a heretic or a heathen. You have no church, you have no denomination, you have no scripture to back up your position… What makes you a Christian if you disregard the majority of the Bible?
unless you're a yid, in which case I can see it make sense>>96763…and because of rigorous application of violence. Survivorship bias plays a large part.
52dc7 №.96775
>>96770good point
I think most people are religious because we are afraid of death/nothingness
The divine is out of our reach and understanding, it's not some simple abc,123 look I made a tree and you are made from soil, here comes THE snake to spoil
It's just ancient drivel respawned over the centuries to take control of the cattle
Communism is the same as any religion, if you were a member of the party .. so yes, "everybody is cattle, they deserve this" looks so clear now. Weird that they wanted religion to stop, when you can have so much control over ppls action with just a fictional figure and a place of worship
e578d №.96776
>>96775Marxism is simply a new religion made for an era in which Abrahamism was failing. Christianity was dying in Europe at the time (and is wholly dead now), and the yids weren't about to let the goyim make their own worldviews (think natural science, natural philosophy, etc.).
Your criticism of religion applies to Abrahamic religions and the various yid-atheist worldviews (Marxism being the main one), but nobody composed the Elder Edda or the trials of Herakles as a tool of mind control. European religion is simply descriptive of natural law and/or mythologized historical accounts.
ONION №.96777
>>96770>you have no scripture to back up your positionNTA but Luke 20:25 might be able be stretched in a way to back it up.
>>96775>Weird that they wanted religion to stopThey wanted rival religions to stop. They already had their prophets and figures (Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin).
e578d №.96779
>>96777 (checked!)
>Luke 20:25How so?
>rival religionsExactly.
52dc7 №.96780
>>96779why not get rid of religion?
I'm not talking about spirituality here.. just written down old bullshit and drivel.. and rituals
Do we really need bullshit to keep up ? We can be spiritual and righteous without eating the body of a crucified sandal wearing sandboi , is my point
c620e №.96782
>>96780I agree. I just don't reserve the word "religion" for semitic religions.
c620e №.96783
>>96782What I mean is that I don't want to get rid of religion, since there is plenty of good Aryan religion. But Abrahamic superstitions withering away as the Kali Yuga comes to an end is perfectly fine by me.
52dc7 №.96784
>>96776>or the trials of Herakles as a tool of mind control. I know I read some quote of some greek philosopher claiming that religion does indeed control the masses and that they need it
Can't remember where , but I believe it's true. peasants had no time to think, philosophers had all the time in the world to think about their surroundings/creation/the cattle
My point is, real men should not need an ancient book to guide them
We all know what we have to do, without believing in pokemons
ONION №.96785
>>96780For the same reason an anarcho-communist society will never exist
c620e №.96786
>>96784That's true. In a way, even inspirational tales are a way to manipulate the masses. But they aren't nearly as manipulative as "your child will burn forever if he doesn't understand jewish laws for goyim well enough and believe in a space jew that'll come back to punish the bad goys".
52dc7 №.96787
>>96783I really hope we can get rid of the cakeshit, even the hindu cake superstisions and especially the brahmin bullshit
why believe something so old is true, while the holocaust is a myth on here (I didn;t say it wasn't made up)
ONION №.96788
>>96784>pokemonsThe plural of pokemon is pokemon.
52dc7 №.96789
>>96787nice
>>96788you also claim to be an ex swat frog or something. please stfu ur here 24/7
c620e №.96790
>>96787Well, I'm an animist. You can't really convince me that the sun isn't there.
>why believe something so old is trueThe age of a statement does not affect its validity.
52dc7 №.96791
>>96790not the age, but the 'statements' that are ridiculous and
ONION №.96792
>>96789every tor user is the same person: part 207
52dc7 №.96794
>>96792alright , good point
lmao sorry
this is going offthread, Im done
ONION №.96799
>>96767>Isn't "putting race above religion", a religious belief by itself?Not necessarily, because I'm not putting race above
God, but above any and all religious denominations.
>>96770>99.999% of Christians throughout time and space would consider you a heretic or a heathen. You have no church, you have no denomination, you have no scripture to back up your positionYou are right, but I am not a Christian for the sake of belonging to a group or feeling righteous for adhering to some old man-made doctrines, but because there were some instances in my life in which I've personally experienced (and witnessed) His grace and presence. I admit that I don't have my religion 100% sorted out, and I think I never will, but that there is a higher being and that He upholds reality with his grace is, for me, an undeniable fact. The reason why I am Christian is that apart from it being the faith I grew up with and therefore the most consistent with my people's traditions, it is the only religion I know of in which God is physically manifest, in the form of miracles and in the person of Jesus Christ. You have many "divinely inspired" people in other faiths, but none come close to what Christianity has.
ONION №.96801
>>96780Check out
>>>/r/ my guy. You don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. There is plenty of Aryan religious teachings to delve into, even if semitic religion isn't to your liking. What do you consider yourself currently, btw? An atheist? Agnostic?
ad35f №.96806
>>96799>I don't have my religion 100% sorted outFair enough, fren.
>there is a higher being and that He upholds reality with his grace is, for me, an undeniable factI've had several experiences as well, and cannot help but be religious either, but I never thought that they were in any way related to Yahweh or Yeshua or Mohammed or Moses or whatever.
>it is the only religion I know of in which God is physically manifest, in the form of miraclesReally? Check out /r/ sometime, fren.
de84a №.96816
>>96713Then I guess by your standards, White Nationalist Christians that put race first aren't real Christians.
That's fine. I am unbothered by this. I don't need you to think that I'm a real Christian any more than you need me to think you're a real pagan. What I need is for totally-not-real-Christian White Nationalists and totally-not-real-Pagans to not do the kikes' work for them.
This is the internet. In the real world, we need to work with people who are pro-White and antisemitic regardless of how they reconcile their beliefs. Purity spiralling about who's the realest wigga is kosher. If you're really race over religion, then you care about the White Christian masses, and the pagans, and the atheists, and the soyboys. You help them because they're your racial kindred, not because you like or agree with them. You bring them to you by being exemplary, not by sperging out on the Internet because a portion of the few people explicitly
on your side don't worship your gods.
This is foolish, and I suspect that anyone who makes religion their purity test is uninterested in actually effecting racial politics. I love my Pagan brothers, though I wish they'd convert. Presumably, they love me and wish I'd abandon Christianity. We both love each other, though. Why would that not be the thing around which we base our friendship? Why fling shit at each other over something unrelated on a board explicitly intended to bring frens together in the name of pro-White causes? This is unproductive in the extreme and isn't how people operate in the real world.
49744 №.96818
>>96816>White Nationalist Christians that put race first aren't real Christians.NTA, but yes.
Assuming the veracity of your post, you seem to willingly ignore that Christianity is a wonderful vehicle for subversion and has a long track record of undermining nationalism. My concern is not with the 0.0001% of Christians that somehow are pro-White and antisemitic (except the Biblical kikes, presumably?). My concern is with the religion itself, which gives every scriptural justification to be raceblind antinationalist zionists, and who sanctify racetraitors, non-Whites and agents of globohomo. Please understand that I don't know your specific niche flavor of spirituality. I only know the Bible (and I don't like what it has to say about goyim), history books (and I don't like what they describe shabbos Christians doing to goyim) and the various denominations (and I don't like what they do to goyim).
As a nationalist, I am concerned with ALL forms of globohomo. Even if I trusted you to be genuine, I do not trust the spiritual or intellectual stability of someone who worships Yahweh, the God of Israel, wants all the folks of Europe to abandon their traditions and awaits Yeshua, a rabbinical Jew to come down from another dimension and genocide all the thought criminals - and claims to be White and nationalistic.
I wouldn't trust a man who claimed to be a communist nationalist either, even though nazbols claim to be able to balance it.
d0ebe №.96822
>>96751>Have you considered that "you guys" might be more well-read than you and aren't fumbling blindly around?>The Bible is entirely anti-nation (except that of the jews). What do you think "goyim" and "ethne" mean?Which is why the entire book of revelation is about judging the jews? Saying that demonstrates that you aren't as well read as you think you are. This sort of presupposition is at the root of endless fights. Reexamine it. God "separated the nations", and
that is a scriptural narrative.>Which is correct. If I place my wife before my entire family, then I'm not placing my entire family first. Literally.If you don't prioritize your wife over other people, your own children even, your family's going to be, at best, dysfunctional. The converse is also true: ever seen what happens when a woman makes her children her life and puts her husband second? I damn sure have. It does not end well. If you care about your family, there's a proper order to things. Likewise, if you care about your race, there's a proper order to things.
>>96767>Isn't "putting race above religion", a religious belief by itself? That's a very good point. Yes it is. And it's also plainly not practiced by the people who claim to believe it. If they did practice it, we wouldn't be fighting all the time. In reality, religion takes priority over their race. They're just standing on top of a plastic box to pretend they have the moral high ground. It's a sham.
0d5b5 №.96824
>>96818I've got to say this is exactly what this post
>>96538 is talking about
the whole conversation that follows that comment only cements the hypothesis that internet pagans aren't here to support White nationalism and form communities of like-minded individuals, they're here to argue with White nationalists while hating on christianity…in other words, they are here to be divisive
>>96822> In reality, religion takes priority over their race. They're just standing on top of a plastic box to pretend they have the moral high ground. It's a sham.it's almost as if they are intentionally being divisive just to argue, isn't it?
23692 №.96825
>>96822>dysfunctionalIrrelevant goalpost-moving. The point was clearly that your wife is not equal to your family and your family is not equal to your wife. One is included in the other, but they are not the same. I don't prioritize my wife over my family. I always place the well-being of the family as a whole over that of any one individual. Sometimes, of course, that means prioritizing an individual who needs it.
>fighting all the timeThis is an imageboard. People debate stuff. There's no folkish-heathen vs. christian-identity knifings to my knowledge.
23692 №.96827
>>96824>oy vey, people debate things on anonymous imageboards, shut it downThere are several interesting, constructive projects being organized on this site. Just go contribute to those and ignore this thread if religious debate bothers you.
23692 №.96828
>>96822I have no opinion on the book of revelations, as it strikes me as particularly insane yid hallucinations and I dont understand enough kike culture to know what the metaphors and references are.
God separated the nations, and then is bringing them back together, both under the rule of Jesus and in whatever endtimes they fanfic'd.
That is scriptural narrative.
ONION №.96830
>>96828>I dont understand enough kike culture to know what the metaphors and references are.Fun fact: neither do the kikes. They argue about it constantly.
23692 №.96832
>>96830Presumably because it is the scattered fragments of culture stolen from the civilizations they passed through, rather than their own.
ONION №.96833
>debate about whether we should debate one another or be a circlejerk, the thread
10b20 №.96836
>>94405The most tiresome thing about modern National Socialism is dealing with the eternal christkike. It must have been easier back in Hitler's day when they were just normal people but today's christkike is an insecure clown. In Hitler's day, when nobody in the course of normal life questioned these things it was simply accepted and the same is just as true today but, given the state of todays wishy washy, pseudo intellectual, egocentric and hypocritical christkike I sure shit sometimes wish it wasn't.
d0ebe №.96854
>>96825>The point was clearly that your wife is not equal to your family and your family is not equal to your wife. You can't put your family first without putting your spouse first, you can't put your race first without putting the creator first. There is a hierarchy. These things fit snuggly together. Race has metaphysical foundations and if you ignore them, your house is going to be left floating in the air. The carpet of your moral fabric will dissolve out from under your feet and your walls will be eaten by mold before a storm or an earthquake comes and your roof finally collapses on top of your head. Nations are resilient, but impermanent things. You must maintain them or they will eventually die. How many peoples have been lost to the sands of time for failing to understand this?
>>96828>God separated the nations, and then is bringing them back together, both under the rule of Jesus And so we get to the crux of the matter. You think Jesus ruling the nations with a rod of iron looks like globohomo. It is the
opposite. Separate nations exist in perpetuity. He created them, he maintains them.
0de2a №.96856
>>96854>You can't put your family first without putting your spouse firstObviously untrue and you're still missing the point.
>You think Jesus ruling the nations with a rod of iron looks like globohomo.Kek. Well, yeah. Obviously. I'm the goyim/ethne, and I can plainly read what you have in store for me. You're plainly lying at this point. Such chutzpah.
d0ebe №.96858
>>96856>Obviously untrue and you're still missing the point.I just got through explaining
how it's true… Maybe interact with that a bit.
>>96856>Obviously. I'm the goyim/ethne>Such chutzpah.What're you speaking Yid for then?
>I can plainly read what you have in store for meGod destroyed Israel and Judah and passed his blessings onto the other nations now. Jews have no covenant, they have no temple, their God is Moloch-Baal, and they are forever cursed at the
genetic level and exist now only to be a curse upon any nation that would open itself up to evil. Your reading comprehension is lacking.
de84a №.96859
>>96818>My concern is not with the 0.0001% of Christians that somehow are pro-White and antisemitic (except the Biblical kikes, presumably?)You have just described the Klan, because they're probably three or four thousand strong. NS they may not be, but they've always been WN. I've met more Christian WNs in the real world than atheist WNs, and more atheist WNs than pagan WNs. I assume that other places are more atheistic than Christian, but pagans are always a tiny minority. Most of the Christians hadn't read Evola, didn't care about which esoteric pagan traditions their specific ancestors had practiced, and didn't include German words in their vocabulary. They're still solid men that want what's best for their people.
The Internet is not real life. You can't live in an ideal world. You can and should pursue it, but you can't live in it. AFA intentional communities won't save the White race anymore than will the Amish.
Work with the material available. You can paganise them once we have our own nations again. Otherwise, this thing is doomed from the start, and we will deserve it. If we can't stop purity spiralling and turbosperging before we ever begin, then we'll just be blaming our demise on each other while impotently watching our people die.
Fuck, I'm so sick of this shit. Endless infighting and drama.
ONION №.96860
>>96858>God destroyed Israel and JudahWhy do they still exist then?
>and passed his blessings onto the other nations nowDo you feel particularly blessed? Is your nation thriving?
>their God is Moloch-Baal>thinking all jews are a religious monolith ONION №.96861
>>96859>They're still solid men that want what's best for their peopleThe problem is that they think "what's best for their people" is a Christian Theocracy without religious freedom.
983ad №.96863
>>96861Nah, I've not met any Groypers. Again, the Internet is not real life.
d0ebe №.96875
>>96860>Why do they still exist then?You're equating destruction to non-existence. They were slaughtered by the millions (and I'm not referring to the Holohoax.) They are mongrelized, carry hereditary diseases to a breathtaking degree, and have been stripped by God of everything that made them special, everything that he gave them. Even their name has been an international mark of shame for centuries, which is why they're so alarmed when you call them by it. All of that, and they
still refuse to stop whoring themselves out to demons.
>Do you feel particularly blessed?Yes.
>Is your nation thriving?My nation is presently under divine judgment for acting like Israel. We'll thrive again once the judgment is finished. Such is the pattern of history.
>their God is Moloch-Baal>thinking all jews are a religious monolithI'm well aware that they have their own denominations. But if they follow the rabbis, then they follow Moloch-Baal, and they
all follow the rabbis, regardless of how they do it.
ONION №.96878
>>96867>The Internet is not real life.>*posts Internet screenshot*I get you, though. Watch this, mein fren. The caveat is that it's generic WN rather than a more specific Christian critique that I would use to internally police WN Christians, given what I'm trying to say in this thread to all parties. Ideally, this shit would be handled well out of sight, just like internal WN conflicts should be resolved internally and well out of sight of the public or our enemies.
Hey, Templarpers. Knock this shit off. You're not the hegemony, you're not the dominant cultural force, and you're not crusaders. You're pretending to a history that vanished long ago because you like the aesthetics. If you want to win, if you want a White Christian nation, then you need a White nation first. You need to look forward, not back. We can't just be about nostalgia. However fun it is to roleplay as the Internet's idea of what an Inquisitor was (apparently some combination of shitskin jihadi and Warhammer 40k Inquisitor), it accomplishes nothing. Go to fucking church, build your fucking community, and be the kind of man that would make people want to be Christian rather than shitposting online about killing White people.
If you're going to do this "burn the White Pagans" bullshit while your countries are being overrun with non-White hordes and run by jewish Satanists, then you're part of the problem. You eat the body of Christ, not your own brothers - and these men are still your brothers. Embrace them as such. You can all go about burning and blood-eagling each other once our people have achieved complete dominance over and security from our non-White enemies.
d0ebe №.96879
>>96877>Is the Torah of Moloch?>>96875No, but they treat the Torah the same way they treat the any other law: they find ways around it.
>>96876>Sauce?The Zohar, although even in the old testament they struggled with Baal worship. Find me a jew that isn't influenced by Kabbalah and I'll show you a purple platypus.
ONION №.96880
>>96879I mean, I can use that same logic to say Whites only pretend to be Christian
>The ZoharThe Edda, although even during Christendom they struggled with Odin worship
>find me a jew that isn'y influenced by kabbalahFind me a White that isn't influenced by pagan traditions
53c2d №.96884
strange how the post was about ending religious infighting, and the pagans mostly fell back into infighting.
ca480 №.96886
>>96858>I just got through explaining how it's trueNo you didn't. You fundamentally misunderstand hierarchies and how individuals fit into the whole. I never prioritize any family member above the whole (or at least, when I do, it is a failing on my part). But I don't care to explain this to you, because it is unrelated to the point and might be related to your bizarre religious individualism.
>What're you speaking Yid for then?Because hebes have a specialized word for hebe behavior. Same reason I use the term goyim. Weird gotcha attempt.
>God destroyed Israel and Judah and passed his blessings onto the other nations now.Holy shit your god is shit at his job then kek
ca480 №.96887
>>96859>The Internet is not real life. Neither is frenschan. Imageboards are for debating shit. For all I know all the Christians I debate here are doing much more for the cause than me. That'd be great. That doesn't change the fact that we can debate shit on a site made for debating shit.
Don't click on the hot-topic-threads if you don't want to read heated debates.
ca480 №.96888
>>96861Indeed. There's always an active thread on /c/ preaching theocracy over NS.
>>>/c/6073 ONION №.96890
>>96886>Because hebes have a specialized word for hebe behavior. on imageboards, hebe means hebephile, not Hebrew
fa011 №.96891
>>96890Shit. I don't speak pervert. Mea culpa. Thanks for the correction.
ONION №.96893
>>96891You're welcome brother
ONION №.96894
>>96890together we can change this
ONION №.96895
>>96894You need to create an imageboard dictionary or something to cement your authority
de84a №.96898
>>96887I'm aware, but that's not what I said. I said that viewing Christians through the lens of Internet Christians is dumb.
The point of this "hot topic" thread was as a PSA stating that religious infighting is for counterproductive, not debating pro-or anti-Christianity. I'm engaging in the on-topic debate, so I don't quite understand what your point is. I'm just sick of it derailing pro-White politics, and if every "hot topic" debate turns into Christians vs Pagans, then everyone's a fag.
e0e8f №.96912
>>96732>What if Siegefags win and create a Satanic White ethnostate?I don't think there are enough satanists for that outcome. I here people talking about them, but I never really hear from the satanists themselves. I do hear a lot of chatter from Christians, pagans, and atheists.
a4b4b №.97069
>>94405Since the dust has settled I have noticed that /R/ and /C/ have improved discourse and the boards seem more productive. /R/ even has more posts than /C/ hopefully the communities can grow and shar occasional banter. I like the devolpment of the Kinism thread on /C/ and hope it translate to something meaningful IRL. I also hope each group can combine the /CTW/ philosphy and they start building organic self sufficent groups. If /C/ and /R/ took the Woodlander pill and started off grid communities for the sake of the 14 words our Folk could have a fighting chance in the 2050s
497cd №.97089
>>97077This is a multigenerational struggle and which ever group is still there at the end wins in my book. One has to look how it is going to be 10 and 50 years from now for Whites and which strategy of survival is best.
